Friday, August 29, 2025

Mind laptop confusion – Piekniewski’s weblog

There’s a by no means ending dialogue, which very concisely could be summarized on this tweet beneath:

And admittedly any time I see comparable exchanges (and I see a number of them) I get mildly irritated. Let me get to the essence.

Pc analogy

Computer systems have been undoubtably the shaping invention of the latest century and therefore they’ve grew to become a powerful theme in our tradition. Because the idea on which computer systems have been constructed is a department of arithmetic, by definition an summary self-discipline, computer systems have additionally had a significant impression on philosophy. We realized for instance that every little thing we will write an equation for could be in precept calculated on a pc. This results in considerably profound philosophical penalties summarized as follows:

  1. Stuff we will write equations for is in precept computable
  2. We are able to write equations for bodily interactions of molecules
  3. All the pieces is product of molecules
  4. Therefore every little thing is computable
  5. Therefore in precept we may simulate a complete mind in a pc
  6. And since we will in precept simulate a Turing machine in a mind, therefore brains and computer systems must be equal
  7. Moreover, in precept we may simulate total Universe
  8. Therefore universe should be a pc too

When formulated on this kind the argument appears to be very arduous to argue. And but there’s something disconcerting right here. Let’s begin by doing a little bit of a language mumbo jumbo to see the place this argumentation has holes. Let’s begin with changing phrase “laptop” with an “abacus”. In spite of everything, an abacus is a quite simple laptop. So something computable is in principe computable on a sufficiently giant abacus. And so leaping a couple of steps we conclude that mind is simply an abacus. Which clearly does not make a lot sense. However what precisely is improper?

Computable universe

Beneath extra scrutiny there’s a potential drawback so much earlier, with step 2 of this reasoning. We take with no consideration that we will write equations for molecules, but this is not actually the case. We are able to write equations for “approximations” of molecules, ignoring a number of the particulars. OK properly, we will actually write the quantum subject equations right down to probably the most nitty gritty particulars of ordinary mannequin of physics, down in indivisible main particles and their interactions. In spite of everything, all that is ruled by quantum mechanics i.e. Schrodinger equation and so it is all computable and we’re good.

Solely we aren’t good. Since wave capabilities in precept span total universe and require infinite illustration of state (I am not even gonna go into minor particulars resembling why wave capabilities collapse into their eigenstates or whether or not such “illustration” ought to require all of the attainable quantum outcomes and many others.). We’re coming into right here a really philosophically harmful grounds: any “finite” approximation of universe we will consider appears in precept computable. However that doesn’t imply that the universe itself is computable! Even with our personal idea of computation, we do not know what to consider a Turing machine with uncountably many states! And moreover, there is no such thing as a assure in any way, that even when the Universe is absolutely described by a set of equations, that this set of equations is finite!!! When digging deeper and deeper into the construction we might discover that the overall variety of equations and constants obligatory to explain actuality in full element is definitely growing and not using a restrict!!! This whole psychological train that tries to suit the whole Universe into an enormous Turing machine is basically flawed!!!

Emergence of analogy

Individuals love analogies as a result of it helps us perceive issues extra simply. Every time now we have two issues in some methods comparable we have a tendency to construct comparisons and extrapolations. And human intelligence/mind is frequently in comparison with probably the most advanced machine now we have out there at hand. Historical past is stuffed with analogies made up to now through which we attempt to clarify the unknown with the issues that we do know. Therefore a human could be although of as a steam machine. In spite of everything, we eat vitality wealthy molecules and oxygen, exhale carbon dioxide (and a few steam!) and produce warmth and vitality. Looks like a terrific analogy, and very similar to many analogies it’s helpful to a level. However after all we all know in the present day we’re far more refined “mechanisms” than a steam engine. This analogy can solely get us up to now, and most of the people in the present day perceive it is restricted applicability.

However the computational analogy is extra excessive. It is shoved down our throats by the group of individuals I would prefer to name “computationalists” (computational fundamentalists) as some kind of elementary fact in regards to the world of some semi spiritual profoundness. And the easy consequence of this flawed philosophy is that mind is simply yet one more laptop, and since we construct quicker computer systems day-after-day, it is only a matter of time once we construct one as refined because the mind. That symbolic day is marked as some kind or religiously vital “singularity” after which nothing might be like it’s. I would argue it is equally pointless to attend for such “singularity” as it’s to await an enormous artificial chicken to fly out of a Boeing manufacturing unit.

Computational mind

So let’s get issues straight right here. Brains and computer systems are in some methods comparable:

  • Each apparently depend on electrical signaling (though in precept computer systems may work on mild, or recreation of life, or mechanical gears, or wood blocks …)
  • Each appear to exhibit what may very well be known as a reminiscence
  • Each have what may very well be thought-about enter and output
  • Each want vitality to work
  • Each are able to what may very well be known as computation, i.e. manipulation of summary symbols, although computer systems appear to be vastly higher at that
  • Each are able to what may very well be known as notion, i.e. breaking down illustration of bodily actuality right into a set of helpful classes and symbols, although brains appears to be vastly higher at that

however these two are additionally separated by an unlimited variety of variations:

  • Computer systems are constructed by people whereas brains emerge from organic goo that in some way self-organizes
  • Computer systems are hopeless exterior of their supposed position in actuality which is at the moment completely decided by people who construct and deploy them
  • Brains alternatively spontaneously search new roles and alternatives within the advanced world to facilitate vitality extraction and replica of their hosts
  • Computer systems very a lot separate their summary calculation from their underlying physics. In end result they are typically very strict and formal, but additionally extremely wasteful of vitality, since all this error correction prices a number of vitality
  • Brains appear to be extremely vitality environment friendly and leverage their underlying physics to advance their operation
  • Computer systems are extraordinarily fragile, little spark, drop of water, small brief circuit and they’re useless
  • Brains are strong, even soaking them with alcohol which modifications the dynamics of just about each neurotransmitter in each synapse outcomes with impaired, however nonetheless functioning mind
  • Computer systems must be given a program, brains (a few of them not less than) write packages

And so forth and so forth. So the brain-computer analogy is not actually extra helpful than bird-plane analogy. when you reject the basic philosophical level that the whole Universe must be a pc (which I dismissed within the paragraph above), there stays nothing sacred within the brain-computer analogy. Like all analogy it has its limits and it even turns into a hindrance past sure level, similar to it is a hindrance to place feathers on a wing of a airplane. There’s only a level at which brains and computer systems are totally different and dragging this analogy to the restrict is foolish, counter productive and arduous to defend exterior of of the semi-religious “pan-computationalism”.

Conclusion

My private guess is that if we ever work out how you can construct synthetic brains (or have them emerge in some means of self group), they may look so in contrast to something just like a pc, that total analogy might be perceived as preposterous. Similar to in the present day we might snort at individuals who although they may fly by slapping some feathers on their arms, individuals sooner or later might be laughing at “Kurzweilianizm”, “pan-computationalism”, digital universe and different such nonsense.

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